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In The Mountain in the Sea, Ray Nayler made the fact that octopuses were able to write a central part of what indicates they're advanced (a character says, “Yes, they have writing… which is an enormous leap in cultural evolution”)--a hugely ethnocentric notion.

So it's very affirming to read Natalia Brizuela's introduction to another brief collection of essays by the Indigenous Brazilian activist Ailton Krenak. (The collection is called Life Is Not Useful.) She writes:
Yasnaya Aguilar, the Mixé linguist, writer, and activist, reminds us ... that Indigenous people do not have “oral traditions,” but rather “mnemonic traditions.”8 ... Western modernity, with its countless institutions and homogenizing temporal framework, always sees the oral as preceding the written, as falling somewhere behind in the chronology of development. But as Ailton and many other Indigenous people explain, the practice and activation of memories – through dreaming, singing, dancing, storytelling, and various other activities – are ways of belonging to and sustaining the cosmic sense of life.

8 See Yasnaya Aguilar Gil, “(Is There) an indigenous Literature?”, trans. Gloria Chacón, Diálogos 19.1 (Spring 2016), p. 158.

She goes on to quote Ailton about the importance of listening and then to unfold that:
“Either you hear the voices of all the other beings that inhabit the planet alongside you, or you wage war against life on earth” (p. 38) ... Listening means being alive, staying alive, and keeping the ecosystems to which one belongs alive as well. Listening is caring. Not listening brings war: that is, a type of destructive encounter, a form of non-co-existence. We listen with our entire bodies, not just our ears ... Our bodies are part of and an extension of the Earth. If we allow them to become sensing instruments for dreaming and conversation, the cosmic sense of life would not be so threatened.


I love this statement: We listen with our entire bodies, not just our ears.

Date: 2024-11-13 02:48 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mallorys_camera
❤️❤️❤️

Date: 2024-11-13 02:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sonia
Oooh, I love that! Listening with our whole bodies. It matches what I did as a bodyworker, and I think it was healing for people to be received in that way.

Date: 2024-11-13 03:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] radiantfracture
I love this! Mnemonic traditions. Much better.

(eta) Maybe I can order a desk copy!
Edited Date: 2024-11-13 03:21 pm (UTC)

Date: 2024-11-15 02:58 am (UTC)
sovay: (Otachi: Pacific Rim)
From: [personal profile] sovay
He was dressed in a white suit, and as he spoke about indigenous worldview and rights, he gradually painted his face with what's called in Spanish huito, in Portuguese and English jenipapo, dye, which is commonly used throughout the Amazon.

That's an incredible gesture.

Date: 2024-11-13 07:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] amaebi
I think we humans do *everything* with our whole beings, physical, mental, emotional, spiritual—- but we fool ourselves with our taxonomy.

Date: 2024-11-13 07:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] osprey_archer
What beautiful quotes, both the ones you shared.

Re: The Mountains in the Sea, what are the octopi writing on and why, given they're underwater creatures and most writing would wash away? Have they taken up writing just to make a point to the humans that We Are Advanced So Stop Eating Us?

Date: 2024-11-13 11:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] osprey_archer
Oh yeah, the book with the sentient octopi but NO octopus POV. What is the POINT if you don't have octopus POV!

Date: 2024-11-14 10:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] minoanmiss

Oh that's just pathetic of the author. I am a mere fanfic author and I have written at least two stories from an octopus' POV. If I wrote about a civilization of octopodes I would HAVE to write the story from several of their POVs or what's the point?

Date: 2024-11-15 02:53 am (UTC)
sovay: (Otachi: Pacific Rim)
From: [personal profile] sovay
I am a mere fanfic author and I have written at least two stories from an octopus' POV.

Links!

Date: 2024-11-16 05:40 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] minoanmiss

https://archiveofourown.org/works/297465

https://archiveofourown.org/works/158936

this one is perhaps overly-direly labeled. I don't think it's traumatizing. But I wrote it, so.

https://archiveofourown.org/works/48893

Date: 2024-11-16 05:42 am (UTC)
sovay: (Otachi: Pacific Rim)
From: [personal profile] sovay
this one is perhaps overly-direly labeled. I don't think it's traumatizing. But I wrote it, so.

Dubious Consentacles!

Date: 2024-11-17 07:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] minoanmiss

You are making me blush so much, omg. thank you.

Date: 2024-11-15 01:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] minoanmiss

bblushes purple

I should warn you I am one of ... those ... fanfic authors.

Date: 2024-11-16 05:38 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] minoanmiss

obeekaybee :)

Date: 2024-11-14 05:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lokifan
Lovely! That's more like it.

*

Date: 2024-11-14 10:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] minoanmiss

takes notes

Date: 2024-11-15 02:54 am (UTC)
sovay: (Otachi: Pacific Rim)
From: [personal profile] sovay
If we allow them to become sensing instruments for dreaming and conversation, the cosmic sense of life would not be so threatened.

That's lovely (and makes me think of L'Engle's Yadah) and also I agree. Thanks for the heads-up on the collection!

Date: 2024-11-15 04:15 am (UTC)
sovay: (Otachi: Pacific Rim)
From: [personal profile] sovay
ETA: And The Wind in the Door is absolutely aligned with these insights about interconnectedness and interweaving, and how one mitochondrion = a galaxy

It's the one I keep re-reading.

Date: 2024-11-17 05:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] med_cat
A good perspective :)

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