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Editing a whole book on the Titanic made me FINALLY willing to take the plunge and watch James Cameron's Titanic (1997), which I have successfully avoided all these years.

But it's so long, people! A Night to Remember (1953) is so much shorter, and lets you see things on the Californian and the Carpathia.

Never mind, I took the plunge over the past two days. I have the following observations:

(1) 1997 was just about the last year that movie could have been made and have it set in the movie's own present-day. Rose was 17 at the time the Titanic went down; they say she's 101 in the movie's present-day . . . which actually makes the movie's present day 1996. Rose would be turning 102 in 1997.

I mean, there are people older than that who are alive and even active. But not a whole lot of people.

(2) The romance element was a thousand times less annoying than I was expecting it to be. I really thought I'd be fast-forwarding through most of it; I have no interest in rich-girl poor-boy stories (or in rich-boy poor-girl stories either, really, thought the reason for my dislike in the two cases is different), but these two were so exuberant and lively together I was actually kind of charmed. There was a decided absence of Drama between the two of them, THANK GOD, and also not too much cooey syrup either THANK GOD.

I did fast-forward through most interactions involving the Evil Fiancé, who had a Terminator-like quality to him.

(3) I really liked the character of Chief Engineer Andrews. I wasn't expecting (in spite of its reputation) to actually cry watching this film, but when Rose and Jack encounter him near the end, and he says "I'm sorry I couldn't build you a stronger ship, young Rose," I did tear up.



(4) The whole disaster-movie section of the film felt ... a bit repetitive. Many permutations of the same scene (people trapped behind gates, for example, or water crashing through windows or surging through corridors). On the plus side, it allowed for you to see different solutions to a problem. Gate is shut? Try using a piece of furniture as a battering ram. Try getting the steward to unlock it. Try turning around and going a different way. On the minus side . . . idk, I could have used a few fewer permutations. There were more shots of chinaware falling off shelves than I would have included if ****I**** were the director, Mr. Cameron!

(5) I really admired and enjoyed both Rose and Jack's resourcefulness at different moments. Though Rose, I would have gone for the axe solution sooner. But I forgive you; you're in a stressful situation.

(6) It was fun to see the different passengers Doug had referred to in his book--like Mr. Guggenheim and his butler.

(7) I found the very ending, where the ship comes alight again, and you are looking through Rose's eyes, as she enters the room with the grand staircase, and everyone is there, characters you saw throughout the film, even if they had no speaking role, and they are all smiling and welcoming, and Jack is there at the top of the staircase to take her hand, SUPER DUPER MOVING. I burst into tears watching it, and then again describing it to Wakanomori and again talking to the ninja girl, and I'm not exactly dry-eyed typing this, so.

(8) It was great to see from Rose's photos that she had lived life so fully, done all the things.

When I used to hear about this movie, I resented that she survived and he died, that he was like her manic pixie dream boy (so I thought) and that he sacrificed himself for her. But watching the film, it didn't feel so much that way. She does save him at least that once, and chooses to be with him on a sinking ship rather than a lifeboat. Ideally once they're in the water, they would have splashed around looking for a piece of flotsam for him to climb on, too, but there's a limit to what you can do when you're in hypothermia.

My final verdict? Very pretty, a bit long, but overall, satisfying.
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We have come to the end of the Titanic week! My final question for Doug regards further reading.

You have a great reading list at the back of your book. Is there one book that you keep coming back to over and over again, and if so, which one and why?

Doug's reply:
I read all of those books listed at one time or another, some of them twice, in addition to several other books related to Titanic and ocean liner travel. I think one which I could read over and over again like the bible is David Brown’s book because it is so different from the rest, very contentious within the Titanic community, but yet it makes you think a lot about what if he’s right and we're all wrong about what we understand about that night?

Also, the book written by twelve different historians called Report into the Loss of the SS Titanic: A Centennial Reappraisal is great as it offers different views of Titanic from different expert opinions and I love the detail and academic nature of the book.



from the book description
Offering a radically new interpretation of the facts surrounding the most famous shipwreck in history, The Last Log of the Titanic is certain to ignite a storm of controversy.




from the book description
Following the basic layout of the report, this team provides fascinating insights into the ship herself, the American and British inquiries, the passengers and crew, the fateful journey and ice warnings received, the damage and sinking, protocol and process of rescue, the circumstances in connection with the SS Californian and SS Mount Temple, and the aftermath and ramifications around the world.

Link to Doug's book
asakiyume: (birds to watch over you)
Today's question for Doug involves a resource in our area, the Titanic Historical Society. It was created in 1963 by Edward Kamuda, who back in the 1950s reached out to the survivors of the Titanic, asking them if they would be willing to share their memories. He created the first LP album recording of them sharing those memories. Various people also donated their souvenirs--including a square of carpet from the ship!

Have you been to the Titanic Historical Society's museum in Indian Orchard [a neighborhood in Springfield, MA]? If so, what's it like? What's the best part?

Doug's reply:
Yes, several times. I actually met the founder of the Titanic Historical Society, Ed Kamuda, a few years before his passing. The first time I met him, he gave me a little pop quiz on ocean liners, and I got them all right, and he said to my mother, "You got an expert right here." You never forget things like that.

I think the best part is that it was established in my hometown, and that’s something positive I can say about the city where I grew up. Also, two of Titanic’s passengers who died lived in Springfield. Milton Long, son of Judge Charles Long, a former mayor of the city, and Jane Carr, who was a third-class passenger whom I believe lived in nearby Windsor Locks prior to Springfield. Springfield has so much hidden history that one would be surprised to learn about.


Photos of Milton Long and Jane Carr



Link to Doug's book
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Today's question for Doug Ross concerns the Titanic community. As you know, wherever there is an enthusiasm, there is a community of enthusiasts....

Can you tell us a little bit about the Titanic community? I know some of the other scholars have been very helpful and supportive.

Doug's reply:
The Titanic community of today is as complex as the story of Titanic herself. There are the historians and scholars who study Titanic like an academic discipline, the hardcore enthusiasts who are as knowledgable as the historians themselves, regular enthusiasts who love the general story of Titanic or the pop culture of Titanic, and then people who are curious about her story. I think I fall in between hardcore and regular enthusiasts because I understand and know a lot, but I can’t tell you things like what grade of paint was used or what the mattresses were made of.

Among the people Doug thanks in his acknowledgments are two scholars who had passed away. This one, Jack Eaton, seems to have lived a full life:
Jack was co-historian on the first Titanic research and recovery expedition in 1993, when, at the age of 67, he became the oldest person to make the perilous 12,500-foot dive to the ship’s wreck and debris field.

...And he had no surviving family, so it was the community who was his family. All kinds of feelings about that.

Link to Doug's book
asakiyume: (birds to watch over you)
Today my question for Titanic enthusiast Douglas Ross is this:

You've been interested in the Titanic for a long time. How (if at all) has your focus changed?

Doug's answer:

I have always been interested in the general story of Titanic and the lessons incorporated into maritime law, which I call the Civil Rights Act of the sea for its groundbreaking and world-shattering changes that endure until this very day, but now my focus has slightly shifted to incorporate the broader world, such as how racism affected Blacks traveling back and forth between the United States and Europe. I'm also more interested in certain passengers and crew, such as the White Star Line chairman J. Bruce Ismay, who is a very complex man that I have grown to sympathize with on a personal level, but I wasn’t always this way towards Ismay.

J. Bruce Ismay as a young man
(photo courtesy of Wikipedia)



J. Bruce Ismay as played by Frank Lawton in the film A Night To Remember (1958), in a lifeboat, as the Titanic sinks behind him



J Bruce Ismay as played by Jonathan Hyde in James Cameron's Titanic (1997), same scene



ETA --Doug commented on Twitter about film representations of Ismay, saying that there are "several films on Ismay, all bad with the exception of SOS Titanic and A Night to Remember."

His list of other offerings:
--Titanic (1996 CBS miniseries)
--Ghosts of the Abyss (2003) [A documentary film]
--Titanic (2012) [a four-part TV drama]
--Titanic: Blood and Steel (2012) [a 12-part TV drama]
--Titanic documentary (2011)



(Link to Doug's book)
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Let me introduce you to Douglas Ross via his Amazon bio:
Douglas Ross is a lifelong Titanic and ocean liner enthusiast and a nonfiction writer who has written political and social articles in his local newspaper. Formerly a human rights and disability commissioner in Massachusetts, he has advocated for the civil rights of others in the past.

A resident of Cambridge, Massachusetts, Douglas enjoys reading historical books, bicycle riding, watching historical films and documentaries, exploring cities and towns and riding trains and buses of the United States. He is a fan of Great Britain, Lucille Ball, Princess Diana, Morgan Freeman, Lyndon Johnson and Samuel Cunard. (read more)


He is the author of The Life of a North Atlantic Liner: Royal Mail Steamer Titanic:



Recently, I put some questions to him about his long-standing interest in the Titanic. I'm going to share a question--and Doug's response--a day throughout the week.

TODAY'S QUESTION: Can you describe your first experience with the Titanic and how you began to realize you loved it?

My love of Titanic began in elementary school in 1996. Two of the fourth grade classrooms (Room 10 and 11 respectively) at Dorman Elementary School in Springfield, MA, were doing a reading project as part of the general curriculum on the Titanic for about two weeks. What fascinated me was the fact that a supposedly unsinkable ship was lost, sank with a huge loss of life, and then was discovered years later.

Prior to Titanic I was obsessed with tornadoes and the awesome power of weather and city and school buses, but that changed once Titanic entered my life, which was exactly 25 years ago. My obsession was not always taken seriously, and it was at times used against me during very rough periods in my public education, when I was made fun of for liking a ‘’white’’ disaster because a mixed black person liking something from 1912 was seen as peculiar to many people of all backgrounds.

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