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asakiyume ([personal profile] asakiyume) wrote2020-11-11 10:05 am

polls, surveys, quizzes, and questionnaires

Sometimes little online quizzes and things can be fun--things that tell you which character in XX show/book you are, or whatever. But as you've probably all experienced taking those quizzes, they reveal as much or more about the assumptions of the quiz creator as they do about you.

That's one of my huge--sometimes insurmountable--problems with health questionnaires or political polls, too. (With political polls, another huge problem I have is who the hell is actually answering them. I *never* respond to political polls--largely because of problems related to the questions, but also because I don't answer spam phone calls etc.--so what person has the time and inclination to answer them? How biased are all polls, when they only draw on the pool of people willing to respond to polls?)

One basic thing that all quizzes, polls, and questionnaires often do wrong is that when they offer you responses, they also supply reasons for the response. For example:

Q. Do you pick up roadside litter?

A1. Yes, always; I can't stand that jerks are always leaving their trash around.
A2. Yes, sometimes, if I'm not in a hurry
A3. No, never--why should I pick up after other people?

All these answers have rationales that may not be the respondents' rationale at all. For instance, maybe you never pick up trash because you're immunocompromised and don't want to get sick. Or maybe you always pick up trash because you're interested in what things people discard. Or maybe you sometimes do, but it's not so much whether you're in a hurry or not but whether you have a free hand. And so on. (Never mind that the answers don't allow for certain meaningful other answers, such as "Yes, but only cans and bottles that I can collect the deposit on.")

If the rationale in an answer isn't your rationale, then you're forced to either choose that answer, even though it misrepresents your thinking, or not answer at all.

For that reason, I prefer questions that don't put rationales in the response choices .... But of course, the quiz creators would still be assuming the rationales, only their assumptions are hidden from you.

All of this is to say, always, always be skeptical of responses to questionnaires and polls. You don't know what kind of crap thinking went into their creation, how they were worded, and so on.
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[personal profile] lilysea 2020-11-11 03:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Indeed.

"No, I don't pick up rubbish - bending over aggravates my back/hip pain for days" is not an option...

Around 1996/1997/1998/1999 I once had a market researcher come to my door with a clipboard and ask how many hours of TV I watched - zero, I said.

They flat out refused to believe me - partly because zero was not an option on their form.

Finally I had to say "Look, MY HOUSEMATE MOVED OUT AND TOOK THE TV. THERE IS LITERALLY NO TV IN THE HOUSE. THEREFORE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO WATCH MORE THAN ZERO HOURS OF TV"
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[personal profile] lilysea 2020-11-11 03:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I have been doing a lot of different unrelated surveys about attitudes towards COVID prevention for Australian universities public health research.

The number of surveys that ask how many standard alcoholic drinks you have per week and don't let you choose ZERO is... a lot.
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[personal profile] lilysea 2020-11-11 03:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I mean, I know

a) Australians often drink alcohol

b) the surveys are all of over-18s, and 18 = legal drinking age in Australia

but we do have a not-insignificant amount of people in Australia who don't drink because of religious reasons like Islam or Baháʼí

not to mention people who don't drink because

a) health issues - including pregnancy, for fuck's sake!

b) it clashes with medications like antidepressants
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[personal profile] shewhomust 2020-11-11 04:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes to this! I recently saw a meme hereabouts which included the question 'Have you ever lived in a house without a dishwasher?' (I have never lived in a house with a dishwasher.)

My pet hate is the survey that forces me to select a neutral 'don't know / don't care' option to express 'I have SO MANY opinions about this...'
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[personal profile] amaebi 2020-11-12 12:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Or the agenda, consciously or otherwise.

Remember when people were talking about George Lakoff's Don't Think of an Elephant? It seems now entirely to have vanished from active memory.

*rages uselessly*
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[personal profile] amaebi 2020-11-12 08:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Linguist George Lakoff explained how the GOP had been setting the framing for US politics since t least 1980, and how Dems fell into their framing and why/how that didn't work out well for Dems in terms of either vote-getting or policy-setting. And an alternative framing that he thought would work better for Dems.

I was so excited! I had been mystified about the falling into framing that is absolutely neither absolute nor inevitable! Someone people listened to was saying it!

(He also suggested Dems putting in the sort of volunteer, communication and donation groundwork that Republicans had been doing all along.)

During the period in which people liked to mention the title of the book, I got highatted several times of people telling me how George Lakoff would dismiss my framing.

And now he's seemed forgotten for at least five years.
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[personal profile] amaebi 2020-11-12 10:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Increasingly and with a swirled mass of frustration and sorrow, I feel that an awful lot of people go around reciting stuff for a while without it ever getting through to thought or memory.
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[personal profile] zyzyly 2020-11-11 04:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I tend to avoid those quizzes, as I am always thinking there is someone who wants that information for something nefarious.
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[personal profile] sartorias 2020-11-11 05:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, this is why I rarely even look at them, much less answer them. Though I used to read them to see what the thinking was behind the questions, but even that falls into predictable patterns. That said, if someone I trust puts up a poll,, or if there is one that makes me laugh, I'm in.

[personal profile] anna_wing 2020-11-12 04:46 am (UTC)(link)
I only ever do the ones that are blatantly frivolous, like "Which character in a major recent media property are you?" (someone called Littlefinger from "Game of Thrones" which I don't recall if I bothered to look up, since I have never watched the TV series, and hurled the first book aside in irritation at how dull it was...it was at least a nice, memorable name, which is why I remember it).

Personality-related questionnaires, whether serious or frivolous, always fall down by failing to make the distinction between personality traits and actual behaviour. They are also seem to be always designed for and by Americans.

[personal profile] anna_wing 2020-11-13 04:26 am (UTC)(link)
Indeed! THe knight could have been tricked, could have been a double agent all along, could be exacting revenge for a previous action by the lord or the lord's servants, children, parents or ancestors, could have been a pure accident (oops, that magpie just flew off with the vital thingy...), could have had a stroke, could have had a nervous breakdown, could have decided that no, the lord's success would not be a Good Thing....

Context is just as important a determinant of action as personality. The enemy could just have cut off the castle's water-supply. Immediate surrender, whatever your personality (see Fall of Singapore Feb 1942).

[personal profile] anna_wing 2020-11-13 10:44 am (UTC)(link)
I have a feeling that Agatha Christie has already written it....
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[personal profile] mrissa 2020-11-12 11:55 am (UTC)(link)
I have often said that on the rare occasions when I do take a personality quiz, it's to see how reasonable the quiz is, not to see what it says about me. If there's a "What Race Of Middle Earth Are You" quiz that does not give the result that I am of the Rohirrim, it's a bad quiz. But there are in fact plenty of bad quizzes.
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[personal profile] wayfaringwordhack 2020-11-12 01:40 pm (UTC)(link)
You don't know what kind of crap thinking went into their creation, how they were worded, and so on.

Oh, yes. This. It is so easy to twist the most seemingly benign info into a Thing It Is Not to support the Thing They Want It To Be.

o.O
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[personal profile] wayfaringwordhack 2020-11-12 08:33 pm (UTC)(link)
LOL. Classic. Sad, but typical.

This reminds me of something I heard on an unschooling podcast, where a mother shared how she was able to start having meaningful and trust-building conversations and relationships when she no longer framed everything as "How can I get my child to come around to my way of thinking?"
Edited 2020-11-12 20:35 (UTC)
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[personal profile] amaebi 2020-11-12 10:51 pm (UTC)(link)
So so so yes this.
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[personal profile] amaebi 2020-11-12 10:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Argh. :(

[personal profile] hyba 2020-11-12 02:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Great points! I remember that in uni they made a huge point of making sure we understood how to create surveys and undertake interviews so that when we designed them, our questions didn't lead respondents to a specific response or rationale. That would ultimately make at least some of your survey results inadmissible. For example, in the example you gave, nobody would pick the last choice because the rationale is phrased in such a way that it feels damaging to one's reputation - almost as though they aren't community-minded (which, depending on the society the respondent lives in, could be a huge no-no). So, naturally, the survey designer has led them away from that response.

So at the end of the day, what you had to do if you wanted to let everyone give them honest and detailed reasoning - and have more accurate results - is to create other questions that people can actually respond to in free-form. But that means more work afterwards, and you'd have to sift through all the responses and create categories for them to be able to analyze them statistically, and a lot of people are just too lazy to do that, I suppose.

[personal profile] hyba 2020-11-21 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I quite like how you put it, because it is true that today there's definitely a movement towards do-it-quick and minimize-costs that just... doesn't work when it comes to creating something that will last - whether that's research, a product, or an organization. It almost seems like a wasted effort, regardless of how minuscule. I'm starting to personally become increasingly inclined to slow down the world around me and take my time doing things well. Anything that requires some fast-paced churn-out at the expense of quality and really taking the time is probably not worth my effort.