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asakiyume ([personal profile] asakiyume) wrote2020-02-05 06:31 pm

Wednesday reading

I finished Embassytown, and I have to say, it did a thing I'm not sure any other book has done for me, which is alienate me for a good 45 percent of the book (from about the 45 percent mark until about the 90 percent mark)--such that I was writing frustrated, seething notes on Goodreads--and then, WOW, pull meaning and heart out of that mess in a way that really, really moved and impressed me. For those of you who've read the book, the thing that I loved more than anything else was Spanish Dancer's speech at the end. (So much. SO MUCH.) For everyone else, I wish I could share it, but it would spoil the book, and also it probably wouldn't mean much without the whole preceding story for context.

Some things (plot developments, character actions) that frustrated me during the story ceased to in retrospect--instead they seemed important and necessary. That's a weird feeling: as if the sensemaking reached back and made my irritation less not only in the present but also in the past. Mental time travel.

But some things still just straight out didn't work for me. For one thing, the narrator, Avice. I didn't like her very much. She would do things while dissing them--a characteristic I dislike--and she was weirdly aimless.

"It was in circles such as this," she tells us, "Embassytown society, that I met CalVin and became their lover." Okay, but why did you become CalVin's lover? What did you feel about them?

When Avice does share her feelings, I had trouble believing in them: "I had so much sadness in me. I cried, only when I was alone. I was so sorry for Hasser, silly secret zealot; and for Valdik"--but see how she calls Hasser silly? She holds herself so apart from everyone, is so cool ... I guess I would have preferred her to evince more interest in stuff, to be more warm and less detached. But that's just personal taste; other readers won't necessarily feel that way. She's portrayed consistently, and her actions and reactions feel genuine, so in that sense she's a satisfying character.

What I really loved the book for was its exploration of what it means to come up against something really, truly alien. Something truly alien might require you to change how you think, just in order to understand what it is you're dealing with. You might not even be able to articulate the change you need to make. That's how it is for the aliens in this story. (Yeah: the aliens get to do this growing, not the humans--maybe because it's pretty much impossible to show that for humans--you can fake-show it, but to really **do** it, you yourself would have to have expanded beyond our current thought limitations, and then you'd have to be able to share that in a comprehensible way--not easily done.) The aliens' learning curve is pretty harrowing (for far too long; I could have done with considerably less of the harrowing part), but--well, I liked how it ended up.

Good job, Miéville!
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[personal profile] sartorias 2020-02-06 03:07 am (UTC)(link)
The book doesn't sound at all like my thing but I really find your take interesting. Thanks for sharing it.
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[personal profile] amaebi 2020-02-06 03:42 am (UTC)(link)
Sounds interesting!

As usual, your reading makes me want to read more.
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[personal profile] mount_oregano 2020-02-06 04:05 am (UTC)(link)
You're right, Avice is the kind of person who if I met her, we'd be ... cordial, but I don't mind reading books about (by, in a sense) characters who I don't like, as long as they're doing interesting things.

Overall, I loved the book and recommend it to my friends, with one caveat: China Miéville can be a difficult read, but it's really worth your time.
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[personal profile] amaebi 2020-02-06 11:45 am (UTC)(link)
I read a lot of mostly ephemeral non-fiction online, but don't make much time for more solid reading offline, which I also don't want to do as much as I want to make more time for writing, and then there's the guilty responsibility to do more gardening the I'm doing.
Edited 2020-02-06 13:19 (UTC)
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[personal profile] amaebi 2020-02-06 11:46 am (UTC)(link)
As a matter of curiosity, did you read Margaret Atwood's Oryx and Crake, and if so what did you think about its central character, and Atwood's choice to make him so?
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[personal profile] sartorias 2020-02-06 02:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Trying to figure out what others would like can sometimes be a mug''s game. It's very like matchmaking.
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[personal profile] mount_oregano 2020-02-06 03:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow! Thank you! And if I may, ask your daughter to say hello and thank you from me to her friend.
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[personal profile] mount_oregano 2020-02-06 03:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, the language part interested me a lot, since I'm a wannabe linguist. In fact, that's why I picked up that book, and I agree, it did staggering things with the idea.
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[personal profile] skygiants 2020-02-08 04:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes! The thing I loved about this book, really and truly, was the sense of hope pulled out of apocalyptic disaster -- there are all these points where things could have taken a turn for the absolutely worst and then, amazingly, they don't. (and I always do expect the worst from China Mieville, so this was perhaps even more surprising and delightful to me than it merited.)