asakiyume: (miroku)
asakiyume ([personal profile] asakiyume) wrote2025-03-14 10:20 am

A spectator society

A friend and I were talking asynchronously the other day**, and she put forward this interesting idea:
A thought: we've become a spectator society, where people often watch sports or plays rather than participating themselves. Are we also becoming a society where many people watch social relationships (on TV, the internet, etc.) rather than participating?

What do people think? More than an agree or disagree, what questions does the question raise for you, or what roads does it take your thoughts down?

For me, it got me thinking about the difference between something being effortful and something being miserable. Building something strong takes effort, and effort, by definition, involves work, which isn't always fun. But that's by no means the same as misery. You can rightly want to avoid misery, but I think you're likely to be disappointed in life if you try to avoid effort. ---But that's just one tangent. What does the question raise for you?

**"talking asynchronously" is my new way of saying "exchanging letters."
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[personal profile] sovay 2025-03-14 09:35 pm (UTC)(link)
What do people think? More than an agree or disagree, what questions does the question raise for you, or what roads does it take your thoughts down?

It feels like false premises to me, because for example attending the performance of a play is not a form of human disconnection, it is participation in the communal activity which is the experience of this piece of art. The entire premise of fandom—which is just a specialized subset of the common referents of a culture—is the connections that people form through their shared knowledge of plays or music or books or films or television or sports. It doesn't feel to me like some second-order, glassed-off way of being in a society, and it feels deeply peculiar to me to cast the enjoyment of art as such. [edit] Do I think it's dangerous to treat the real lives of people like a fictional narrative scripted for the entertainment of third parties? Duh. But I am not sure that's a participation-vs-spectatorship problem.
Edited 2025-03-14 21:38 (UTC)